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Client Control plugin - suggestions/requests

The thread is about central control of Spark clients.

Currently one can disable roster or group based broadcasting in Spark (menu and context menu entry dissapears). But it's still possible to do massive broadcast by selecting all group's members with Ctrl-A. Maybe broadcast disabling should cover all the ways? What other administrators think or need? Logically Broadcast Disabling means disabling of any possible client broadcasting to me.

Also, i have mentioned this in blog comment. There was a request for centralised transcripts disabling in Spark clients. This could be important in enterprise networks, where auditing is only done on the server and no local logs should be saved (security reasons as well).

Maybe there are some other ideas, requests, bug reports?

I can fill some of these in JIRA, but as this should be done both in Spark and Openfire (plugin), i dont know how to do this better. Gato, Daniel?

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May 14, 2008 4:41 AM (in response to wroot)
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Client Features:

Avatar/VCard - (Spark Only) - just a bit of info. Admin user is always able to edit his profile.

Group Chat - when i block joining and then try to open a bookmark in Spark, it shows nothing. But if i enable joining again and try to open that bookmark, i will join the room, but there will be a few tabs more in the chat window (all the previous unsuccessful tries). Spark issue probably. SPARK-1007

Permitted Clients:

Should be a way to change the message shown for the users violating client policy. JM-1362

Group Chat Bookmarks:

http://localhost:9090/images/check.gif should be with transparent bg (png maybe)

URL Bookmark Manager:

This is Spark only feature? What other clients support this? Exodus doesnt But nice feature

Spark Version:

Should be a way to delete/disable current Spark version in Admin Console JM-1363

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- Daniel Henninger
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  May 14, 2008 7:26 AM (in response to wroot)
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  Bookmarks are a "standard XEP" feature: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html
  
  I just don't know of any other clients that support it. =/ There have got to be some.
  
  If I do recall correctly, there is at least -something- we extended about it though. Added an additional info field or something. Don't recall at the moment.
  
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    May 14, 2008 8:34 AM (in response to Daniel Henninger)
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    jadestorm wrote:
    Bookmarks are a "standard XEP"
    
    Room bookmarks are recognized by Exodus, but URL bookmarks are showing as room bookmarks and doesnt work.
    
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  May 14, 2008 7:52 AM (in response to wroot)
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  Spark Version: I am not sure what you mean here. I prevent notification of the current version by placing a really old copy of spark here. Do you mean restricting access to openfire to a certain version of spark? If this is an issue what would also prevent the user from using any other XMPP client to bypass this setting. If they can install an unapproved version of spark they can install other clients. Seems like wasted hours of coding to me, no offence.
  
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    May 14, 2008 8:38 AM (in response to sixthring)
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    mtstravel wrote:
    Spark Version: I am not sure what you mean here.
    
    No, i just meant that there is no GUI for disabling that option. I have uploaded Spark 2.5.8 and checked the radio button. And now i cant remove it in Admin Console. No Delete or such button. So i have to go to openfire folder, find it and delete manually. It's an additional step. I want everything to be done via AC, like plugins installing/upgrading, etc.
    
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      May 14, 2008 8:43 AM (in response to wroot)
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      Well now that makes a whole lot more sense.
      
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May 14, 2008 8:27 AM (in response to wroot)
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Pasted from the comment section on the Client Control plugin blog:

A thought on the client features for the plugin. Would it be possible to add options to enable/disable Spark only items such as tasks, notes, and even invite/join conference? Small companies who only have one location probably wouldn't need a chat conference room. And removing some of the buttons on Spark would help keep the interface buttons at a minimum.

Personally, I like having clients able to view their history is a good thing. It saves the admin from getting requests to retrieve history for a conversation for whatever reason. Although I can see some other networks would like to have the control over history, probably very helpful for some admins.

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May 14, 2008 11:10 AM (in response to wroot)
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How can I permit only miranda client?

Thank you fore great plugins!

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  May 14, 2008 11:23 AM (in response to Zvonimir)
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  zbuzanic wrote:
  
  How can I permit only miranda client?
  
  Thank you fore great plugins!
  
  You can add any custom client in the form on the Permitted Clients page. But as it was discussed recently in last blog comments, this plugin can't guarantee that policy. Only novice and obeying the rules can be restricted with that plugin. Advanced users can find a workaround.
  
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    May 14, 2008 1:23 PM (in response to wroot)
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    Ok, I figured out how to do it, but still I have lots of noob users and I want to force them to one specific client and one specific version, any chance to somehow permit only Adium v.1.2.5 and Miranda 0.8.0 ?
    
    Also, it would be nice if the notice form server could be modified so I can write something on my own language, becouse noob users don't know any english
    
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      May 14, 2008 1:46 PM (in response to Zvonimir)
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      zbuzanic wrote:
      Also, it would be nice if the notice form server could be modified so I can write something on my own language, becouse noob users don't know any english
      
      This is already requested in my second message. JM-1362 But there won't be much development on this plugin after it's being open-sourced. It's up to community members to step in and fix it.
      
      As about controlling clients and versions it would be hard to implement. Especially in such way, that absolutely noone could use anything else. One community user mentioned that client certificates support should be added to openfire, etc. You can't control sophisticated users. More over, you can't control versions of every client, which is not developed by Jive Software. Unless you will write your own plugin.
      
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May 14, 2008 2:51 PM (in response to wroot)
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Can the 'client control plugin' control the Spark plugins on every client? That would be nice to centrally control all clients' plugins.

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  May 15, 2008 12:20 AM (in response to modulok)
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  modulok wrote:
  Can the 'client control plugin' control the Spark plugins on every client? That would be nice to centrally control all clients' plugins.
  Virtually anything is possible. But as i understood in yesterday live chat, official development on this (and other parts of enterprise plugin) plugin won't be very active. That was the main cause to open-source them, so that community members can improve them. So, it's time to learn java Or to find a developer here or at your place.
  
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    May 15, 2008 5:58 AM (in response to wroot)
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    ok, who here should I bribe to be my developer?
    
    /me awaits replies
    
    I am really not a programmer, but how hard is it to learn java programming for openfire/spark development?
    
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      May 15, 2008 11:44 AM (in response to modulok)
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      modulok wrote:
      I am really not a programmer, but how hard is it to learn java programming for openfire/spark development?
      
      That's the point. It's not hard to learn a new language if you are a programmer. All languages has many common things. In some thread one said that it is useful to study MOTD plugin for Openfire (it has some manual i think). There is also the sparkplug package (for making Spark plugins) http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/sparkplug-kit.jsp
      
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May 18, 2008 2:47 AM (in response to wroot)
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I have deleted Client Control plugin and now Room Bookmarks are gone. Shouldnt they stay in private storage permanently until you/user delete them?

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May 21, 2008 11:40 AM (in response to wroot)
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Seems that disabling of editing vCard is not working with Spark 2.6.0 (SVN). It saves everything without any error.

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Jun 28, 2008 9:14 AM (in response to wroot)
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The enterprise/spark path for the Spark installers should be changed to something that doesn't reflect the now defunct enterprise plugin.....

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Jul 2, 2008 4:23 PM (in response to wroot)
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I would like to be able to specify the url to the location of the local versions of spark.

For instance, by default, the link points to http://10.1.X.X:9090/etc... where as in actual fact, I would like to be able to point clients to http://chat.company.com/spark/etc...

Hope that makes sense.

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Oct 2, 2008 2:24 PM (in response to wroot)
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After spending awhile searching the forums I haven't found this issue discussed and so I want to bring it here as this seems the natural location. Please point me to another thread if a better one applies.

With the latest Openfire 3.6.0 and Client Control 1.0.3 - I am continuing to observe a very annoying upgrade notification loop. I use the Openfire Admin Console to upload a new version of Spark 2.6.0 Beta2 and check the radio button so that it is the version I want distributed. There are no other Spark versions uploaded. At the workstation when Spark first runs (v 2.6.0Beta1), the update is advertised and the process for upgrading takes place successfully. This is all good and expected so far. Now once the new client starts up, the advertisement for upgrade reappears though the version isn't newer than what is installed. This same looping advertisement continues at very Spark startup even though the version is the latest and matches the version being distributed. In earlier versions of Spark I don't remember this being a problem. What is causing this? Is there a fix/workaround? For now I've had to disable the Client Control distribution but would like to see it working as designed.

TIA - Dale

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