Skip navigation
6706 Views 9 Replies Latest reply: Feb 22, 2009 1:06 PM by Norman Rasmussen RSS
Matt Tanksley Bronze 50 posts since
Aug 9, 2007
Currently Being Moderated

Nov 19, 2007 12:20 PM

Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

I've noticed that the Spark Online MSI installers, starting with 2.5.7, require the JRE 1.6 to be installed before the app will run. They will not even attempt to use a 1.5 JRE. Installation is completely successfull, but program launch fails without the 1.6 JRE installed.

 

 

 

The Online EXE installers have no problem with the 1.5 JRE, so my question is why the inconsistency? I can't find any documentation for Spark that indicates that a specific version of the JRE is required. In fact, I can't seem to find a "System Requirements" doc anywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

M@

  • Silver 32 posts since
    Nov 5, 2007
    Currently Being Moderated
    Dec 12, 2007 5:44 PM (in response to Matt Tanksley)
    Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

    Hi,

     

    I'm not sure why the MSI requires Java 1.6.  I'll do some checking around here and let you know what I find out.

     

    thanks,

     

    Scott

  • Daniel Henninger KeyContributor 2,972 posts since
    Aug 10, 2005
    Currently Being Moderated
    Dec 14, 2007 11:35 AM (in response to Matt Tanksley)
    Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

    Well, I can -see- where the change was made that updated to 1.6.  Why is it required?  good question.  =/  If it still works with 1.5 for the exe build, I don't really see why we're requiring it for the MSI build.  What are y'all's thoughts?  Do you think we should standardize on requiring 1.6 or go back to allowing 1.5? 

     

    Daniel

    • wroot KeyContributor 6,845 posts since
      Jan 24, 2005
      Currently Being Moderated
      Dec 15, 2007 3:55 AM (in response to Daniel Henninger)
      Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

      Let's make it 1.7

       

      I vote for 1.6. It's not new anymore and should be common. Most of the users will complain, because they will have to upgrade they old 1.5 installation. Java is making people lazy I mean it's hard for admins to upgrade whole company to a newer version. So i think online installers are not very useful. With offline installer you dont even have to know what java version you should have, or what is java at all.

      • Daniel Henninger KeyContributor 2,972 posts since
        Aug 10, 2005
        Currently Being Moderated
        Dec 16, 2007 8:17 PM (in response to Matt Tanksley)
        Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

        Note that it's not a requirement.  1.5 is allowed.  The MSI installer alone, for some reason, is requiring 1.6.  The .exe installer is not.  There are tools to build your own MSI installers from the .exe.  I don't really know why the MSI installer was set for 1.6.  I can see it being set to be distributed with 1.6, but the min version is a tad odd.  Either way, no need to panic, it was a simple question.  Sounds like there's a good case to keep support for 1.5.  ;D

      • wroot KeyContributor 6,845 posts since
        Jan 24, 2005
        Currently Being Moderated
        Dec 17, 2007 1:49 AM (in response to Matt Tanksley)
        Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)
        Maenxe wrote:

        In our case, we have an internal software package that runs on the 1.5 platform and has issues with the way that the 1.6 platform interprets the code

         

        Firstly, i'm in no way want to sound rude. Just a bit offtopic.

         

        This was always strange to me, that people/companies are getting stuck with old programs, and then requirements for old platforms appear. Some are still using NT, 1.4 java, DOS and so on. And they ask not to abandon them. But they have put themselves in such position. Why should developers maintain old requirements, or make it working with old and new platforms? It's a users call to make a desicion, to upgrade their internal software, buy a new etc. Now 1.5 is ok, but let's say after few months it would be abandoned. What whould you do? It could happen not just with Spark. You should be preparing for such problems now and think about changes.

         

        Java's independence of a platform sound more like a myth to me nowadays. Unless it would stay in 1.0 version forever. But it's constantly evolving and progressing. It's not possible to stay platform independent in all areas.

         

        Speaking about this topic's case. As i mentioned, you can use offline MSI installer. It wount harm your current 1.5 java installation. And Spark will use its internal 1.6 JRE. Or as Daniel suggested, you can create your own MSI with online EXE setup. As i understand Daniel will fix java requirement in offline MSI installer in upcoming release. Or not?

          • wroot KeyContributor 6,845 posts since
            Jan 24, 2005
            Currently Being Moderated
            Dec 17, 2007 11:08 AM (in response to Matt Tanksley)
            Re: Spark and JRE Support(1.5 vs 1.6)

            My bad english I meant end users, those who make a company wide decisions. Not exactly sysadmins' duty (maybe in some cases). As a bit of sysadmin myself i agree that most of the users dont want to change anything, but some of them can surprise you

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (0)

Legend

  • Correct Answers - 10 points
  • Helpful Answers - 5 points